Normal bet

[Michael]

What is your normal bet on yourself ?
Do you first qualify yourself or jump right in after the point is set?

[Jeff40]

My normal bet is $6 on the 6 and 8, 5 dollar sharp shooter and 10 in odds. Sometimes a hardway, usally a 2 hard 6 or 8

[POPdevil]

I buy in for $300. When I am shooting...

I set for the V-3 Set when I shoot for the insides and here are my bets (adjusted to my buy-in level):

• $5 Pass line and $5/$10/$15 odds (4-10/5-9/6-8)
• I place the Insides for $66 (including the point) and drop down to $22 after the second place win. (If I won on the last time I shoot then I put the dealers up for a buck on the insides too on my next turn shooting)
• Two non-wins, I turn off my bets and turn then back on when I roll an inside.
• I don't play 'one roll bets' or hardways.
• I press up one unit on each hit till they get to 50 or 60 then I will let them ride for a few hits, then full aggressively press them up taking every other hit till I reach max bet. My highest bet using this method was $300 on the 9.

My strategy is to play for large wins in short rolls (8 rolls average). I don't expect or count on having a long rolls nor will I commit to any strategy that relies on long rolls to be profitable. The profit is all with in the first 3 rolls.
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I like this betting strategy. I don't understand what you mean by the (4-10/5-9/6-8). Do you mean you also place all of the place numbers or either or?

[POPdevil]

After doing a test run on the strategy (home test run) I did well doubling my money. It's a little too high for me when I first get to a table. I'll change mine to $30 on 6 and 8 and then once I build up my money then go for higher.

[Dave73]

I like the approach Indie, similar to the plan I'll implement next trip, but a question... Why place the point instead of adding that to your odds?

[KnowNothing]

Personal definition of an advantage-play scenario dictates the amount of $ wagered; total players, other players demeanor, how my shot feels on come-out roll. Wether $5 or $10 table also goes into the scheme for the session. On the $5's, I dont mind running auto-pilot come bets. I'm a math guy, 5/9 typically only get action via come (bar $204 across below). Since betting the All's 2-2-2, I have yet to fail in covering the total losses. For the meantime, this is my sin bet.

My favorite bets are the 4/10 buys. I now set 2V & am very confident in my ability to hit these #'s more than the odds dictate. These #'s are game changers; 1 hit covers all bets at a low H/E, allowing me to relax for the remainder of my turn knowing I already have a profit after I lock them up. After 4/10 down, then typically place the 6/8, pressing a couple times then down.

Now for what I refer to as 'The Big-Dirty'... MP's $204 across. I am in LUST w/this bet, however; I am not bankrolled for it. Since I'm attempting to be mature/professional about my play, I have refrained for some time. Something very sexy about making it through 4 measily rolls, then $ky'$ the limit. Losing 1/4-1/2 my session loss limit is a bitch, which then has a large affect on my outlook/take for the remainder of the session... which is not the time to be steaming. At this point, might as well go home.

Personal comfort level is key to executing this physical task. I'm emotional, a.k.a. 'Hot-Headed'. If I'm not where I need to be upstairs, I'm in trouble.

How I roll,
KN

[toolboxnj]

On randies: I play the captains five count. Sometimes I'll place the minimum on the 6 or 8 ($12/$18), but never a pass line bet on a random shooter until he passes the count. Occasionally, if there is a bad "vibe" at the table (it's hard to explain, more guessing than anything else), I'll play the don't... min bet and $30 odds.

On myself: Pass line with 3-5x odds, depending on the table min. Place the 6/8, always go up a unit. If I get to $30, I'll hit again and then take all my bets down.

[KnowNothing]

I play the captains five count.

'Winnie-the-Pooh five count'

[captainahg]

Vibe of table very important to me. Several casinos close to my location. Some of them I label tourist casinos. The $5 tables bring weekend warriors that are not into game just looking for action. If criteria met I play the "Dark Side" using Patrick System.

[pappyvanwinkle]

Alot of this depends on yourself. If it's a table you regularly play on and know it kinda well, I'd say to either bet across for whatever your bankroll tolerance is and then do a regression, or just go max odds and then place your signature numbers.

Now, if it's a unknown table, I'd suggest to qualify yourself/table. Maybe this table has a weird bounce. On the other hand, I like to rack up money asap.

Anyways, it really does depend on you.

[toolboxnj]

I have been so burnt by the 5-count on random shooters!!!!

This is when table tracking comes in handy. If the table is warm, then $22 inside and just reaping the wins is not a bad idea. a choppy table, playing the DP with flat come bets might also work. I have had plenty of wins with the DP and the come bet win. (win on the come but lose on the point) and on a cold table a DP with a DC bet works well too.

With the 5-count, the shooter is typically around roll 7 or 8 when the count completes, and the average roll is 8.5...so, if I was to bet it would be DC bet if anything.

A table is never "warm" or "cold" in the sense that we can use recent rolls to dictate what happens in the future. Every roll is random and the results are governed by a set of discrete set of possibilities. For a random roller, a seven will appear 16.6% of the time. Primacy of existence dictates that you consciousness confirms to reality, not the other way around. We can remark that a table has gone "cold", just through observation however this can only tell us about the past, not the future. That's why it's important to be conservative on your bets and to be aware of what you have on the table at all times. All those presses and "up one units" have a cost.

It is also fact that the 5-count reduces the house edge because you miss 57% of shooters. That means that, yes, you will miss points made in the first few rolls but you also miss the quick 7-outs. Overall you benefit over the long-run (we all die in the long-run too) and don't miss the monster rolls where randies defy the odds.

[shunkaha]

I have been so burnt by the 5-count on random shooters!!!!

This is when table tracking comes in handy. If the table is warm, then $22 inside and just reaping the wins is not a bad idea. a choppy table, playing the DP with flat come bets might also work. I have had plenty of wins with the DP and the come bet win. (win on the come but lose on the point) and on a cold table a DP with a DC bet works well too.

With the 5-count, the shooter is typically around roll 7 or 8 when the count completes, and the average roll is 8.5...so, if I was to bet it would be DC bet if anything.

A table is never "warm" or "cold" in the sense that we can use recent rolls to dictate what happens in the future. Every roll is random and the results are governed by a set of discrete set of possibilities. For a random roller, a seven will appear 16.6% of the time. Primacy of existence dictates that you consciousness confirms to reality, not the other way around. We can remark that a table has gone "cold", just through observation however this can only tell us about the past, not the future. That's why it's important to be conservative on your bets and to be aware of what you have on the table at all times. All those presses and "up one units" have a cost.

It is also fact that the 5-count reduces the house edge because you miss 57% of shooters. That means that, yes, you will miss points made in the first few rolls but you also miss the quick 7-outs. Overall you benefit over the long-run (we all die in the long-run too) and don't miss the monster rolls where randies defy the odds.

Just curious but if one presumes everything heretofore said is accurate, wouldn't a better system be... I see a random roller and I patiently wait until they are done. It seems to my way of thinking that would cut more like 80 - 90% of losses, refine it further by charting the DIs you see and noting that such-n-such is off in his shooting today so I don't bet him either... unless you're an action player this would make more sense, if you are an action player and also aspiring to be a DI you should probably decide which you like better since to my estimation DI is about gaining an edge and action play is about the adrenaline rush. Not that I have anything against an adrenaline rush aside from the nasty tendency it has to adversely alter my toss.

Anyway maybe its me but my thought is I am not there to lose less money I am there to win more, if I see a way I will almost always lose money I am not exceedingly happy with it and alter my play accordingly, lets take this another way. Say you're a card counter and you find yourself on the wrong end of a deck and you KNOW the casino no longer has a small edge on you they are going to eat you alive because your count is so bad you just as well hand your whole buy in over as a dealer toke and walk away... do you decide that since you'll lose you should up your bet to lose faster, or find greener pastures? To me the idea of betting any random roller unless he's showed me something for a long time [in which event I think rhythm roller unless he's truly random] is just as insane as knowing the dealer has 21 but betting black chips anyway... but then I think the same thing about DIs, I can think of some trips I refused to bet certain DIs that I would normally bet in a heartbeat... because I am there to make money and if I see someone I suspect will lose it [almost all random rollers on a consistent basis] I don't bet.

[shunkaha]

I will amend my previous post on one point, if I see even a random roller toss 1 number alot, I will wager one unit on it. I find it much easier to explain to myself on a 500 mile drive how I came to lose several $5 bets than how I stood and watched a guy toss a dozen 4s in a hand and managed to not be on at least 1 of them. I find the regret of a $5 loss is much more fleeting than the annoyance at missing a $2,000 win [I have had that argument with myself before and no matter how compelling the math at the time was I still beat up on myself about the night I tossed 7 hard 4s in a hand without even a single dollar on it, or the night I made a man $17,000 tossing 4s yet didn't bet it till the last 2 so I made about $50]. So I will now follow a trend just not often and almost never on random rollers.