Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I'm fairly new at craps and have been playing at my local casino for the past 6mos or so pretty regularly. I've been trying to tweak some things here and there jumping from the pass to the don't pass, playing a lot of the dark side... Lately I found I like placing the 6 and 8, but hate getting killed by that PSO/PSSO... I was thinking about a $25 DC and then placing the 6 and 8 for $12 hoping to hit and press once or twice before taking them down... Is this a bad idea because it could fuel hedging which I know isn't good, but a DC 4 then hit the 6 or 8 twice, take them down and wait for the 7 just sounds so good lol... Any advice would be greatly appreciated... I go to have fun (and hopefully break even and leave with a buzz lol) usually once a week with a small bankroll (100-150) since I go pretty frequently

First, welcome aboard a very good craps site. Now, as to you question. MP posted the answer on his site the other day so join his board also and also free. He did the math on parlaying a six.
http://diceinstitute.mxf.yuku.com/topic ... r?page=111
It's right after the picture of the motorcycle. You need to read and understand that most excellent article.
Next, you have basically stumbled onto the "one hit-can't miss" system. It is a time killer and you will not make much with it. Basically, place a DC bet of $5 then after the point is set, place the 6&8 even if one of them is the point.
Others will chime in here. Hopefully MP will not chide me too bad for putting up the link but when you are thinking of laying out $49 bucks on a $150 BR, you really need to rethink that - it is not a good idea and a parlay or press on a hit is not a good idea either.

I agree, much too high of a lay out for a bankroll that small. Is the minimum bet to place a 6 or 8 $12? If not, consider scaling down.
Otherwise, consider scaling your bankroll up within your comfort level.

I agree. With a $150 session stake you could play $12 on the DP then place the six and eight for $6 each. I'd take one hit on the six or eight then bring them down and wait for a decision on the DP. Others would play it differently and their play might even be stronger than mine. SIA's "one hit - can't miss" play, for example, is very strong. So is simply running a positive progression on the DP. Lots of ways to go. Dig in here on the site and you'll find even more.

We have used a similar play several times that is good for longevity. Skip the come out, get a $10 DC to travel and place the 6&8 for $12 each. If the DC travels to the 6 or 8 then surround the DC number. For example if the DC travels to six place the five and eight. This play gives you two chances to win and two ways to lose - the DC or a 7out. The max you can lose on one roll of the dice is $14. This is significant as good general practice is to never risk more than 10% of your session bankroll on a single roll of the dice. This play will give you 10 chances on a $140 buy in. The thing you have to be careful about is if you're DC gets picked off you should really take down the placed bets and try again on the next shooter. Otherwise sure as heck you'll get picked and then the next roll is 7out and in two rolls you lost $34. You have to be willing to "live to fight another day" and not get stubborn about making back that lost DC right away. Like a lot of betting patterns it works sometimes. If you like to maximize your play time it's a pretty good way to go. You won't get wiped out fast and if someone gets on a roll you will have a chance to be in on it from the start. Of course sometimes it will not work and you will die a slow death. But more often than not you can at least tread water. It's a pretty good way to start at a new table to get a feel for the table trend without putting too much at risk.

You guys are awesome and really took time to answer thoroughly, thanks a lot. And yes the reason I was placing for 12 each was because the min was 10... On Fridays and thru the weekend it's 15! So I play weeknights Lol. I usually play at Seneca Buffalo Creek since im here in buffalo

MP: Isn't it 7 or 11 on the come out 1 in 4, not 1 in 4.5?

Of course! i had 32 stuck in my head because its a number i use A LOT at work.
My mistake

Two up is not really a casino game. Infact, it's illegal 364/365 days of the year (365/366 on leap years). So if you're planning on a trip down under to flip some coins into the air, make sure you're here on the 25th of April. It can be played in casinos but is usually found at an RSL.

I've actually never played, nor seen it played LIVE, so you and I are on equal terms with the game. I do know the basics of it though and will offer you my opinion. Thanks for asking.

Beatable?
Definitely not. When played socially true odds are paid, it's a zero sum game. So you have to have someone on both sides of the bet. When there is a "house" there obviously comes a "house edge" which is about 3% at the lowest.

"Influenceable?"
I'm extremely skeptical that dice are able to be influenced and have the same opinion when it comes to flipping coins. I'm sure there are many that believe they can influence flips of a coin just like those that believe they can influence outcomes of the dice.