Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I've witnessed my first official big whale and it made me sick to my stomach. Heavy, I seriously had a moment that was RIGHT out of your Craps Buffet CD - I wanted to say "give me your money and come back after dinner. You can even keep all the winnings." He was placing 18,000 across with a 1,000 pass, 3,000 odds along with maxed hardways on EVERY roll. Rivers casino normally has 100x odds but capped him at 3,000. This guy burned up multiple 50k markers in under 45 minutes. When they had security bring out the mystical "grey" chips ($5k each) the crowd gathering grew very thick. Which of course translated to 4 security guards and 6+ pit critters floating around to take care of their VIP.

This raises a question. If your bankroll could handle table max betting, would that change your strategy any from what your doing now??

I wouldn't change anything. All you're doing is adding more zeros on the end of my usual bets. An $18 six becomes an $1800 six, etc.

Must be specialto have that comfort level
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In the ship yard your whale would be described as :
Stand back
"This one DRAWS LOT'S OF WATER"

wild child wrote:Must be specialto have that comfort level
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In the ship yard your whale would be described as :
Stand back
"This one DRAWS LOT'S OF WATER"

Be careful what you wish for, along with all that "comfort" comes responsibility

Stilgar wrote:I've witnessed my first official big whale and it made me sick to my stomach. Heavy, I seriously had a moment that was RIGHT out of your Craps Buffet CD - I wanted to say "give me your money and come back after dinner. You can even keep all the winnings." He was placing 18,000 across with a 1,000 pass, 3,000 odds along with maxed hardways on EVERY roll. Rivers casino normally has 100x odds but capped him at 3,000. This guy burned up multiple 50k markers in under 45 minutes. When they had security bring out the mystical "grey" chips ($5k each) the crowd gathering grew very thick. Which of course translated to 4 security guards and 6+ pit critters floating around to take care of their VIP.

This raises a question. If your bankroll could handle table max betting, would that change your strategy any from what your doing now??

Yes, if I could comfortably burn through multiple $50,000 markers in 45 minutes it would change my play in the following manner. I would stay home since anything I could win that would make me content would certainly cripple the casino and honestly if I could drop $100k -$250k in 45 minutes I probably wouldn't care to burn it up in a casino rather than invest it in mansions, planes, boats, cars, and attractive women with questionable moral character.

I mostly agree it's the same with extra zeros. If I had millions in the bank I'd still have the same personality, just a larger bankroll. So yeah, for the most part I think it's all relative. If you can risk $300 you dream of winning a few grand. If you can risk $50k, you dream of winning a few million. I want a new laptop. The whale wants a new jet. That said, I do think there would be several differences:

1) At higher stakes the regression options expand greatly. With a $300 buy-in it's hard to do any sort of across/regression play. With 50K and feeling lucky (or just aggressive) I could do $20400 across for one or two hits, regress to $4400 inside. One more hit then regress to $1100 inside. Then full press hoping for the big roll. I sometime do a double regression play like this in practice. Never done it in live play.

2) With this much cash at risk I'd get a luxury suite and my own $50 table pretty much anywhere, anytime I wanted it. Occasionally I might play with "regular folks" at the $25 table but mainly I'd want a private or semi-private game.

3) If I decided to take a break at roulette I'd need to be mindful of the table max if I use my regular labby play that's a negative progression. I'd need to start at a level that wouldn't hit table max until 8-9 straight losses. If that wasn't going to give me a "satisfying" win for my 50k bankroll then I might change to a totally different play, like a positive progression.

4) I think the biggerst difference would be attitude. With that much bankroll I think (not sure, this is an average person speculating not a rich person planning) I THINK I wouldn't have to play scared. I'd play my play to WIN. Sometimes these days we play a little defensive. Like a doey/don't because we want a $10 game but there's only a $25 table. If I had a few million bankroll and a $50k session buy-in I'd probably never play Heavy's heat seeker again.

5) Max odds. With that kind of bankroll I'd always take max odds. I can't tolerate that level of volatility now but I sure could with a 50k buy in.

freak wrote:I I sometime do a double regression play like this in practice. Never done it in live play.

I like your idea here of a multi-tiered regression play. Food for thought. How has this worked out for you in practice?

Now I would have liked to have seen that Stilgar! The only "Whales" I have seen are the ones who buy in for a couple of thousand and have $25.00 chips or $100.00 chips on the numbers.
(And from what I've seen, most don't last long, they blow through the chips, pull out another wad of money, get more chips, blow through them, and leave.)
I'm surprised a Whale like you saw would play on a "poor man's table". I've never been into the High Limit area, but surely they have a Craps table in there . . . . don't they?
I am a very conservative player and only bring $200.00 with me - and most of the time that lasts me for hours. (I prefer $5.00 tables to $10.00 tables.)

Interesting.

They had a $25 table running that he joined in on.

Stilgar wrote:

freak wrote:I I sometime do a double regression play like this in practice. Never done it in live play.

I like your idea here of a multi-tiered regression play. Food for thought. How has this worked out for you in practice?

It usually works great...until I get bored. If I'm winning $700 on the first roll for a $600 eight, and then $140 for a $120 eight, it just doesn't feel satisfying to win $21 after the second regression. Boredom is typically my downfall in practice play. I played the MP$204 faithfully for three days last week but on the fourth day I hit 4 PSOs/PPSOs in a row and went from being up $1000 to being down about $100. Three days earnings lost in four rolls. I got mad. I pressed the next two rolls and busted out completely. I'm pretty good at keeping to a system if I'm winning heartily. But if I'm losing or only making small progress I tend to get "creative" and that almost always flushes my remaining bankroll rapidly.