Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

My internal network has been down for a couple of hours here at work but internet access works. So I have been spending time reading old posts.

A recurring theme in some posts is a cheaper version of MP's $204 Regression. There was mention of $108 version. Though, I didn't find the bet amount. So given that I had time, I decided to analyze the $204 play.

The max draw down was around 10 times the initial bet. So a bankroll of 25x should be expected to play.
Should you PSO, it takes 3.7 successful 2 hit hands to recover.
The payout on any hit is near equal.
The play depends on Regression. So you can never play an amount on all 6 numbers that is so low that you cannot regress.

With these qualities in mind, I looked at how the $108 might play out. I could not make the bets come out near equal so I changed it to $118.
-4&10@$15 for a $27 win
-5&9@$20 for a $28 win
-6&8@24 for a $28 win

Now I needed a regression that left you a profit that would recover a PSO at 3.7 times.
-I got to 3.8 using a regression down to $12 on the 6&8.
-I got to 3.5 using $22 Inside.

This would require a bankroll of $3000 to play. Still too expensive for me to play. I need to cut to the bone.

I dub this DP's $64 Across Regression, a Poor Man's $204 Across Regression
-4&10@$10 for an $18 win
-5&9@$10 for a $14 win
-6&8@$12 for a $14 win
-Regress to 6&8 @ $6
-PSO recovery is at 3.8
-Bankroll needed is $1600

You will need a $5 table to play and is tough to find at Foxwoods. Mohegan has a lot of $5 tables. YMMV

I will wargame this at home before I try out in the casino if I ever come across a DI.

And now my network has just come back up. Bye

Our forum member Freak came up with a $96 across play he called the "mini MP". If I remember correctly, it was $96 across as follows:

4 & 10 $15 each ($30)
5 & 9 $15 each ($30)
6 & 8 $18 each ($36)

Two Hits and then regress

Others can chime in whether I am correct on this.

It's located in this thread somewhere:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3235&hilit=minimp

edited to add thread

I like my $120 Pyramid, which is $30 on the six and eight, $20 on the five and nine, and $10 on the four and ten. Handle your regressions in pairs. If you get a hit on the six or eight it pays $35. Regress to $18 each on them. All other bets remain. If you get a hit on the five or nine it'll pay $28. Regress to $15 each. Four or ten? One hit and they're pretty much paid for. I'd never regress. You'd probably be looking at 3 hits on average to get everything paid for. Once you're there it's off to the races if you're a press-a-holic like some folks I know. Or you could play smart and just take it all down.

Yep. I could see that. Here's my problem with this whole thing. You can't call it a "poor man's $204 regression" because you never had $204 on the table. I've always liked the "pyramid place bet" strategy, but hey! Call it whatever you want. Just remember the "regression" part of it once the cash starts flowing.

The take home for me is the built in REDUCTION of $$$ EXPOSURE
due to the REDUCTION or REMOVAL of those $$$
after the first or perhaps second roll
HOWEVER
prior to the Third Roll which is a defacto Critical Point
plus
involves near zero charting for those so opposed

just me saying

W C
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ps : how better could one keep track for events in a Hand consisting of far greater in number tosses ?

davper wrote:...
There was mention of $108 version
...
With these qualities in mind, I looked at how the $108 might play out. I could not make the bets come out near equal so I changed it to $118.
-4&10@$15 for a $27 win
-5&9@$20 for a $28 win
-6&8@24 for a $28 win
...

Actually those are the amounts to place for MP's mini $108 version, even though it adds up to $118. The only difference is after 2 hits, reduce to $22 inside. Now at that level you want 2 additional hits before you being pressing any future hits to the inside numbers.

And that $118 betting method by MP begins his multi-post outlining that subject, dated 12/9/14 within "MP's not-so-random thought of the day" Thread.

BTW, what has happened to that Thread?

bobbylee wrote:And that $118 betting method by MP begins his multi-post outlining that subject, dated 12/9/14 within "MP's not-so-random thought of the day" Thread.

BTW, what has happened to that Thread?

Hi Bobbylee,

When H's site went down awhile back, we lost several hundred of my posts in that thread. I never bothered to put them back up. Fortunately, I was able to cross-post most of them in the Dice Institute message-board; so all were not completely lost.


MP