Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

On another thread Shootitall asked another poster this question. "How can you tell if a long hand is in progress?" I thought it was an excellent question and deserved a thread of its own. So here we go. I'll give you two different scenarios.


1. You walk into the casino and up to a table that's about 3/4 full. A shooter has the dice and you observe him toss a couple of numbers. You have no other input other than the bets on the layout. It is not a Fire Bet layout and it is not an ATS layout. It's a traditional game with no side or bonus bets. How can you tell if a long hand is in progress?


2. You're at the table and invested in the game. You started out on the shooter with $66 inside, took two hits, then regressed to $22 inside. From there you took two hits, then pressed one. A couple of trash numbers were tossed into the mix but the shooter's toss looks pretty good. You're now up to about roll eight. How can you tell if a long hand is in progress?

This one is fraught with traps, guys. Let's hear your answers.

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The above is a great set up to activate
your personal tolerance / decision maker .....that is you ....
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This is like having a pet rattlesnake under your Stetson...
Make the incorrect move and your decision will bite you.....
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The eight(8) rolls places the longevity of this effort above average..........
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I may play the Would a Could a , HOWEVER For my comfort level...Even if the shooter tossing plurality BOX NUMBERS WITH REPEATERS,I may take a flyer on a COME WAGER or two with zero odds ,since I have $22 ( Plus) for Inside in action prepared to lean into it should THE HAND run on and I increase the collective WAGERED $$ AMOUNT ...or accept
the SEVEN (7) OUT should it pop up.........,

just me saying
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1) You can look at the action on the layout and usually tell how long a hand has progressed. No matter what I wait until the shooter either SO's or makes his pass line point before buying in and then I tread lightly as I know that the vast majority of the time I've missed the meat and potatoes part of the shoot.

2)If the shooter makes a pass and then throws a single 7 on the comeout I assume the hand may have potential to become a long hand. The majority of the time the "luck" factor of sevens coming at the right time is highly involved in long hands of 20+, especially so for the rhythm and randie crowd. If a shooter has multiple sevens on the comeout and isn't setting for them I get gun shy.

1. You walk into the casino and up to a table that's about 3/4 full. A shooter has the dice and you observe him toss a couple of numbers. You have no other input other than the bets on the layout. It is not a Fire Bet layout and it is not an ATS layout. It's a traditional game with no side or bonus bets. How can you tell if a long hand is in progress?

Agree w/snake eyes. Also check the chip racks. If the numbers are loaded, are the racks depleted? Or have they been making money for some time. In the second hand the shooter has given you four inside numbers, but you are only pressing one. Eight rolls is danger time. You don't say how many are at the table or the situation in their racks, but for me..this is pull out time if
your pressed bet doesn't hit on the next roll.

When my first DC bet has been knocked off, it's the first sign that a long hand has a good possibility and to start making some place bets. Keep track of the next number thrown after a point has been established. If that "next number" repeats, it's a good sign for those right-side players.

Good answers guys. Let me add to the above - look at the prop box. As a hand progresses the prop action usually increases. Now, from a purely random shooter point of view the hand "resets" after every toss and you're still six rolls away from the next seven, since there's a one in six chance of the seven showing on each toss. Of course, there's no telling if the seven will come on the next toss, the second, third, fourth . . . or whatever.

Any other thoughts to add, ladies and gents?

Good point. If there's $10.00 bets on the hard six or eight it is a good indicator that the hardway hit once and the bettor used the P word.

1. Noise level tends to grow with length of hand.

Is there a crowd watching? Clearly a BIG hand. Quietly ask a dealer or another player how it is going and see if you get any pertinent information. Never bother the shooter with any questions and try to ask quietly on the side away from the shooter so the question doesn't get into there ear and start the shooter thinking about it. Agree that a lot of info can be gathered from the layout and money on it as indicated above. Asking a question just may gather a little extra info for you.

heavy wrote:Good answers guys. Let me add to the above - look at the prop box. As a hand progresses the prop action usually increases. Now, from a purely random shooter point of view the hand "resets" after every toss and you're still six rolls away from the next seven, since there's a one in six chance of the seven showing on each toss. Of course, there's no telling if the seven will come on the next toss, the second, third, fourth . . . or whatever.

Any other thoughts to add, ladies and gents?

I agree. Usually the Hardways are covered and people are tossing in prop bets, hop bets, and any bet they can imagine. A lot of "for the shooter" bets, especially if it's a woman tossing. It usually ends up slowing the game down drastically. There have been some hot tables I've been on where the table is full and I and only one other person is talking full advantage. The others are watching numbers being called in amazement. It's like they're afraid to mess with the shooter's mojo by making a bet. They still only have a PL bet with 2x odds.