Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I 've done plenty of work on "Up as you lose" progressions, but not too much on the "Up as you win" progressions. Up as you lose progressions usually end up with me kicking a slot machine on my way home, only to get frying pan skull therapy when Mrs Americraps gets the news. Maybe an up as you win approach would be worth a try.

I decided to test out a 20% press on the field bet. Why 20%? Cause it works so well in RCs exponential odds.

Here's the press schedule. Only raise the bet on a win, back to $10 on a loss.

$10, 12, 13 (yes I know this is not 20%), 15, 17, 20, 24, 28, 33, 39, 45, 52, 62, 75, 90, 108, 128, 152, 180.

At Casino Americraps, the 12 pays triple and aces pay double. When I throw a 12, I skip 2 levels, when I throw aces, I skip 1 level.

I recently tossed a twelve field numbers in a row streak that included boxcars 3 times. That's how I got to $180. Originally I had the progression stopping at $45. I was surprised as heck as I kept extending the progression. You can continue the progression yourself by adding 20% to the previous amount bet.

This is not exactly 20% pressing but its close. I am liking the early results and will report how it does after a few books of rolls. I am using a 3v set, so I'm not expecting super profits. To really test this out, I would need to switch to s6, x6 or 2v sets, but so far,I like this 3v variant- 5s and 9s for all the primaries.

I found a couple of field progressions on my computer.

Use a favorite upward as you win progression, such as the following units:
1,2,1,2,2,4,4,8,8,16,16 etc
1,1,1,2,2,4,4,8,8,16,16 etc
1,1,1,2,3,4,5,7 etc


$5Bill

Rounding it off field will hit 45% of the time. Do you plan on testing it on your EO books as well. I had purchased both the zumma craps and bacc book a while back. If I can find the craps book (me thinks the g/f tossed it in the garbage) I will test this field play on random zumma rolls.

Rather than a "pure Field Play" on a standard craps table
have you considered
working the "Up as you go "
on
a No Craps Table or Never Ever Craps Table ?

w c

I have no interest in up as you lose progressions, so agree with what you are saying on those. They are just the (eventual) way to the poor house.

Sometimes I will play the field to a set plan for small money - perhaps trying a double parlay or similar. But it has to pay triple on the 12 otherwise I will never bet it. Essentially though, it's not a serious bet.

2.78% given up per roll - that's one hell of an edge your books of rolls are going to have to overcome. Be interesting to see what pans out.

I also think WC has a good point. If you do find a profitable book of rolls on this field progression, it would be interesting to see how they may have fared on crapless.

Buys on the extreme outsides are amongst the best craps bets you can have. Volatile as hell, but given some skill and lots of patience..........

$nakeEyes$,

I must conclude that HE likes to put on his thong and tophat and let Mrs. Americraps beat him black and blue with the frying pan(s)!!

Snakeyes wrote "It honestly breaks my heart to see that you are in a constant state of turmoil seeking that " Magic Bullet " which will be your panacea -"
I don't see what any of this has to do with my pancreas, but you might have a point about the legalized pot. I do, however, look forward to the next time we can tip the bottle together. Shouldn't be too long before I can wrangle a trip out your way. Once I get my work situation settled, I'll be able to build a BR. Practice SRR is hovering around 7, so the toss is about ready.

I'll put this to bed. The up as you go progression that I was testing doesn't work.
Wild Child and London- You have valid points. I love Crapless craps. Maybe when I'm done with my current project, I'll mess around with it.

i've seen guys win tons but i've seen some lose 1500$ trying to make field streak for 3 times.

It its not your day and you lose 200$ trying that strategy, walk out and try another day.

I've tried a field "system" based upon seeing two non field numbers in a row. Must have two non fields and then make the field bet. Lose..two more
non field numbers..same bet. Lose again..double it. Win and double it. Used WinCraps and made a youtube video..which I took down after being roundly laughed at..EVEN THOUGH the damn thing worked. And it has actually worked every time I've tried it. Try it. See what you come up with. But then again maybe it's just too stupid. I admit I haven't tried it on a real table yet. I will next time and if I lose to sixty start with $5..I will quit and pretend I never thought of it.

Yesterday while I was at the casino, I saw this guy go all in for $100 on the field. I knew he was chasing his loses. So I thought I would try to make him happy. I set the dice to a set that I am trying out to 6 - 5 on top with the 5 - 6 facing. It's the set with the 11's and 3's all around. I toss the dice and bingo it lands on a 12 and he wins $300. Well this guy was happier than a Lark. He turns to me with this Huge smile on his face. I kind of laughed. "Take it and go home," the dealers said. But he didn't. He left a $100 on the field. I turned to him and said, "You better cut that in half." I didn't want this guy to give back all that he had just won. He left it at $100. I set the dice again to the 11's and 3's and luckily I rolled a field number. I can't remember which one but he won another $100. At this point all the dealers are telling him to go home. I'm glad he listened to them and he left. I had fun doing that for him. After he left I thought to myself, "Hell, why don't I bet the field and win some money. So I put $10 in the field and used the same set. I toss the dice and it lands on the 5. Damn! That's just my luck. I didn't bet the field after that.


$5Bill

tgparker wrote: ...I've just started using WinCraps Classic. I'd like to have a look at your WinCraps betting script...

tgparker, have you found these bet scripts that are available on Steen's site? http://cloudcitysoftware.com/brfiles.htm

The location of these files is not obvious, so hopefully this is a help.

Listen to Irish on this one. Field progressions of course will work some of the time. Anything works some of the time, but the math is against
it..as it is on all right side progressions. It's that darn 7. You are chasing money down a hole.

Ignoring the fact that the 2 and 12 pay extra, there's 16 ways to toss a winner and 20 ways to toss a loser on the field bet. If you find a progression that works for you in the field it will work 500% better betting banker only on baccarat.

tgparker - if you get a script running for a field progression in Wincraps it will quickly show you how this kind of bet will eat your money.

On a table that pays double odds on the 2 and treble odds on the 12, the house edge is 2.78% per roll. A lot of tables you meet these days are only double pay on the 12, in which case double the house edge on the field bet.

Compare this to the best positive bets on the table: passline with odds/come with odds/place 6&8/buy 4 and 10 if in the right casinos, and you have much less house edge to fight against, not only per roll, but per bet resolution.

House edge per roll and house edge per bet resolved are very important considerations when you are exploring and developing systems/strategies. Wargaming on wincraps will soon illustrate what the better bets are.

And I have also ordered the following used Craps books via Amazon.

John Patrick's Craps: So You Wanna Be a Gambler' by John Patrick
http://a.co/7SLKUa7

The dice doctor by Sam Grafstein
http://a.co/0yqFJcs

Casino Craps: Shoot to Win! by Frank Scoblete et al.
http://a.co/fpbCGJo

Two out of three ain't bad. I'd probably pass on anything by Scoblete, who I refer to as a "gamble-tainer." His casino war stories are amusing, but I believe they are just that. Stories. They all follow the same (Goldilocks and the Three Bears) literary formula. We played and we lost. We played and we lost more. We played and we won back all of our losses plus a lot more and ended our trip on a happy ever after note. In short, I believe very little I hear from him. Most of his books written over the last few years have been thinly veiled solicitations for readers to sign up for a dice control class with GTC, which is is no longer affiliated with.

I would recommend you get a copy of John Patrick's Advanced Craps at some point.

tgparker wrote: I will also be building my home made DIY cardboard practice rig...

You might get a kick out of the cronicals of my early journey. I also started with a cardboard practice box...

Maddogs Journey

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It all boils down to a simple game where we flip a coin. You call heads or tails. Every time you call it right, I pay you $0.495 cents. Every time you call it wrong, you pay me $0.50 cents. No book, forum, or class is going to change that fundamental aspect to all casino games. What differs by game is how much I pay you, but it'll always be short of $0.50 cents (ignoring odds in craps, but you still can't play that for free).

Could you call it right 60 times out of 100 and make money? Sure, happens all the time.

Even if I paid you $0.50 cents for every win (fair game), you could still hit a bout of losses which set you back enough to hurt.

As the casino, if I can get millions of people playing this game millions of times, I'm going to make a steady cut, and that pays the bills and more.

If I'm preaching to the choir, my apologies.