Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

Have been reading elsewhere that the Wynn, and now possibly the Mirage, are paying 30/1 and 150/1 for ATS bonus wins rather than 34/1 and 175/1.

Neither of these places seem to be frequented much, if at all, by our members. The Wynn especially runs only a double odds game on their lower limit tables. If I wanted restrictions like that I'd just stay in London

This ATS development probably puts the ATS in the realm of firebet in terms of house edge. Hopefully it won't catch on. I know it's a bad bet anyway, but it is a guilty pleasure of mine, but if this pay table catches on I am definitely out.

The house edge on the Bonus Bet (All Tall Small) is only 7%. LOL. The house edge on the Fire Bet is substantially higher. A FOUR Number Fire Bet will hit 0.88% of the time, or 1 in 113 times. A FIVE Number Fire Bet will occur 0.16% of the time, or once every 610 shooters. A SIX Number Fire Bet win will happen 0.0162% of the time, or once every 6,156 shooters. The house edge against hitting a six number Fire Bet win in excess of 21% as I recall. The Wizard of Odds runs through all of the calculations here: http://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/

Wynn's has been sweating the money for years, but especially since they lost a few million to a dice sliding team a couple of years back. The Mirage tables have essentially been unplayable (bounce) for years. Last time I played there - probably six years ago - only one table was marginally playable and they kept it closed the majority of the time.

Two casinos I have never played craps in, and I suspect two casinos I will not be playing at on my next trip.

Good info to have seeing as Wynn is building a casino in my backyard.