Name says itall you've had some good hands but feel like you should have won more.Ask your self this question I ask it after every good hand should I have pressed more should I drop the hardways . Why did I not pull down in time. The progression given wil solve all of these problems have a 25 to 35 roll hand and you will walk with money.I cant count the times ive press one unit two units smoke the table just to seven out with black chips on the lay out. This will be a down system once you hit a high you pull that number down.I came up with this last week after a great hand in which there again I pull out too early.My wife had hit on a slot so I didn't want to lose all she won.
This system is for a saw dust joint max bet 500 Its for won money money your ahead.
110 inside simple yes but with a twist it will be fun exciting and locking up a small win early so the fear factor goes down.
5 and 9 25 each each bet is pressed seperaterly
6&8 30 each same as above progression looks like this.
5&9 25 60 60 140 340 500 Once you hit that number say it was the 5 you pull that number off the board.Now you have the 9 6 8 left hit those 6 times and pull it down also.
6&8 goes 30 66 66 120 240 498 and down on the number that hit six times only. If my math is right 5 or 9 will pay 1575 ; 6 or 8 will pay 1190 hit all four a pipe dream pull down 5530 hope that math is right. if you hit two separate inside number twice your paid for with small profit rember each number is separtete.
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Re: To the MAX
Here's a pretty good press strategy from our pal Operator. Yeah, I'd approach it a bit differently but it works. So here's the question for you guys to answer. Playing a $500 max bet game starting with a $1000 bankroll. What would be your initial wager and how would you get to table max. You can press individual numbers or press in pairs. Anyway you want to play it - just give us the progressions.
Six and/or Eight progression:
Five and/or Nine progression:
Four and/or Ten progression:
Volunteers?
Six and/or Eight progression:
Five and/or Nine progression:
Four and/or Ten progression:
Volunteers?
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Re: To the MAX
My wager plan factors in that challenges (degree of difficultly ) bumps,bruises ( contusions )
and out-wright losses....Happens in sports,war and casino wagering.......
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My buy in is a fraction of my dedicated bank roll for the casino adventures.
I can sustain the losses,even if taking a hiatus as part of preparing to go back in the game.
A Do Side Player could take a "Rope-a-Dope " ( so to speak ) with a transition to the Do Nots
and
visa versa the Do Not Player could do a "Rope-a-Dope " to the more populated Do Do Side..
Comfort Zone strongly guides my methodology....Got to like myself post game ride home.
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All that prologue said:
When ( to my satisfaction ) trending longer tosses between the Sevens indicate:
My choice is place wager the four inside numbers....
(occasional option after C/O Table Minimum Place Wager on Box#4 & Box#10 )
After the second repeat of a number, my wagers are reduced to serial Come Wagers at Table Minimum...
As those come wagers hit(REPEAT ) , go-to serial Place Wagers to the Maximum of my comfort zone
even if it is less than Table Maximum level......
Any table with a Table Maximum lower than MY MAXIMUM COMFORT LEVEL,
then that table max prevails...................
The seven may and has cause Methodology Interrupts....( the flaws also accounted )
The downside possibilities and probabilities are factored into the personal comfort zone..
just me saying
w c
and out-wright losses....Happens in sports,war and casino wagering.......
.
My buy in is a fraction of my dedicated bank roll for the casino adventures.
I can sustain the losses,even if taking a hiatus as part of preparing to go back in the game.
A Do Side Player could take a "Rope-a-Dope " ( so to speak ) with a transition to the Do Nots
and
visa versa the Do Not Player could do a "Rope-a-Dope " to the more populated Do Do Side..
Comfort Zone strongly guides my methodology....Got to like myself post game ride home.
->
All that prologue said:
When ( to my satisfaction ) trending longer tosses between the Sevens indicate:
My choice is place wager the four inside numbers....
(occasional option after C/O Table Minimum Place Wager on Box#4 & Box#10 )
After the second repeat of a number, my wagers are reduced to serial Come Wagers at Table Minimum...
As those come wagers hit(REPEAT ) , go-to serial Place Wagers to the Maximum of my comfort zone
even if it is less than Table Maximum level......
Any table with a Table Maximum lower than MY MAXIMUM COMFORT LEVEL,
then that table max prevails...................
The seven may and has cause Methodology Interrupts....( the flaws also accounted )
The downside possibilities and probabilities are factored into the personal comfort zone..
just me saying
w c
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Re: To the MAX
$100 Across 5/6/8/9
1st hit 6or8, press equally with sister number
1st hit 5or9, press equally with sister number
Collect next two hits
Alternate Collect/Press every hit on out til maxed
I'd be REAL tempted to pull out, or start over, by roll 12 or 13 (before maxing out) but, this is how I would get to table max.
1st hit 6or8, press equally with sister number
1st hit 5or9, press equally with sister number
Collect next two hits
Alternate Collect/Press every hit on out til maxed
I'd be REAL tempted to pull out, or start over, by roll 12 or 13 (before maxing out) but, this is how I would get to table max.
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Re: To the MAX
So you're betting $100 inside (terminology terminology terminology). I guess you're betting . . . what . . . $25 each on the numbers? I'd probably go for $110 or $120 inside just to make correct sized bets on the six and eight.
It appears you are pressing in pairs. So $25 six or eight hits it pays $29. How much are you pressing to? $40 each and lock up a $1? See why I'm confused.
$25 each on the five and nine work fine (except in Mississippi). Pays $35. You can press them to $40 each and lock up $5 and the next payoff is still a correct one.
This puts me in mind of the guy I know who bets $14 sixes and eights because he likes to press directly to $30 on the first hit. But . . . but . . . but . . .
Help me out here. And please don't think I'm picking on you because I'm not. Just tell me: What's the plan exactly?
It appears you are pressing in pairs. So $25 six or eight hits it pays $29. How much are you pressing to? $40 each and lock up a $1? See why I'm confused.
$25 each on the five and nine work fine (except in Mississippi). Pays $35. You can press them to $40 each and lock up $5 and the next payoff is still a correct one.
This puts me in mind of the guy I know who bets $14 sixes and eights because he likes to press directly to $30 on the first hit. But . . . but . . . but . . .
Help me out here. And please don't think I'm picking on you because I'm not. Just tell me: What's the plan exactly?
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Re: To the MAX
With a $1000 buy in, I'd do the following
$110 Even numbers
4/10 progression: 25 50 100 200 400 500
6/8 progression: 30 42 42 90 90 180 180 300 300 420 420 498
$110 Even numbers
4/10 progression: 25 50 100 200 400 500
6/8 progression: 30 42 42 90 90 180 180 300 300 420 420 498
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Re: To the MAX
No, your not picking...my bad...I meant $400, and trying to convert my usual Pesos to $ - 100/108/108/100
5 rolls, press to - 170/108/108/170
8 rolls, bank $6, press to - 170/168/168/170
Collect next two hits
Alternate Collect/Press every hit on out til maxed
As a relative newbie, I find my throwing focus gets hampered by betting. Keeping almost equal amounts bet on the inside numbers (divisible by 5 or 6) is my simple way of keeping focused.
5 rolls, press to - 170/108/108/170
8 rolls, bank $6, press to - 170/168/168/170
Collect next two hits
Alternate Collect/Press every hit on out til maxed
As a relative newbie, I find my throwing focus gets hampered by betting. Keeping almost equal amounts bet on the inside numbers (divisible by 5 or 6) is my simple way of keeping focused.
What Heavy said...
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Re: To the MAX
Ah. Okay. Some might argue that putting 40% of your session money on the table on one hand might be a little excessive. Anyway, here are my thoughts. I might not follow this progression exactly, but it's not far from what I'd do if I were going to take on this exercise.
$1000 buy in. Initial wager $96 across. If I wanted to jump start the play I'd start at $160 across - but let's go with $96 for the sake of bankroll management. That gives you ten shots at getting there.
I will not press in pairs because I believe the Grafstein saw about "only backing a winning horse." I've had hands where I've tossed 20 plus sixes and not one eight, so why press the eight? But I'll break this down by pairs and you can assume one or the other numbers is rolling. I'll run the same progression on both sister numbers but only when the appropriate sister rolls.
Six/or/Eight: $18. First hit drop $3 and go to $42. Second hit collect $1 and go to $90. Third hit collect $105 and rack it. Fourth hit press to $180. Fifth hit drop $30 and press to $420. Sixth hit press to $500 and lock up $410.
Five/or/Nine: $15. First hit lock up $1 and press to $35. Second hit press to $75 and lock up $9. Third hit collect $105 and rack it. Fourth hit press to $175 and lock up $5. Fifth hit press to $420. Fifth hit press to $500 and lock up $508.
Four/or/Ten: $15. First hit make it a $40 Buy. Second hit make it a $100 Buy and lock up $15. Third hit go to $250 and lock up $42 (depends on breakage). Fourth hit go to $500 and lock up $225.
You can see from this why I'm a fan of betting even numbers - particularly where they collect the vig on the four and ten after the win and not up front. Only four hits to get to table max on the four and ten if you press aggressively. And you've recouped your $15 initial bet after the second hit, so you're in "free bet" territory from there on out. The fifth hit pays you $975 net and it's fat city.
With the six and eight - you'll just complete the progression more frequently than you will on the five and nine over the long run.
Any other suggestions on how you'd handle it? We're open to suggestions. Hell, power press every hit if you want. Let's hear it.
$1000 buy in. Initial wager $96 across. If I wanted to jump start the play I'd start at $160 across - but let's go with $96 for the sake of bankroll management. That gives you ten shots at getting there.
I will not press in pairs because I believe the Grafstein saw about "only backing a winning horse." I've had hands where I've tossed 20 plus sixes and not one eight, so why press the eight? But I'll break this down by pairs and you can assume one or the other numbers is rolling. I'll run the same progression on both sister numbers but only when the appropriate sister rolls.
Six/or/Eight: $18. First hit drop $3 and go to $42. Second hit collect $1 and go to $90. Third hit collect $105 and rack it. Fourth hit press to $180. Fifth hit drop $30 and press to $420. Sixth hit press to $500 and lock up $410.
Five/or/Nine: $15. First hit lock up $1 and press to $35. Second hit press to $75 and lock up $9. Third hit collect $105 and rack it. Fourth hit press to $175 and lock up $5. Fifth hit press to $420. Fifth hit press to $500 and lock up $508.
Four/or/Ten: $15. First hit make it a $40 Buy. Second hit make it a $100 Buy and lock up $15. Third hit go to $250 and lock up $42 (depends on breakage). Fourth hit go to $500 and lock up $225.
You can see from this why I'm a fan of betting even numbers - particularly where they collect the vig on the four and ten after the win and not up front. Only four hits to get to table max on the four and ten if you press aggressively. And you've recouped your $15 initial bet after the second hit, so you're in "free bet" territory from there on out. The fifth hit pays you $975 net and it's fat city.
With the six and eight - you'll just complete the progression more frequently than you will on the five and nine over the long run.
Any other suggestions on how you'd handle it? We're open to suggestions. Hell, power press every hit if you want. Let's hear it.
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stratocasterman
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Re: To the MAX
Thanks Heavy...betting winning horses always paid much more than betting losing horses. Think I'll make the adjustment you suggested. Makes more sense I can see.
Only reason I was so aggressive was that I usually shoot very well initially and rarely get more than 2 or three hands before I leave the casino.
Only reason I was so aggressive was that I usually shoot very well initially and rarely get more than 2 or three hands before I leave the casino.
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Re: To the MAX
Depends on limit.
You want to risk max 10% of banroll. Best play 5%.
That makes way lower bets then you expect...
I seen a lot of way to play... best way...there are many.
I like to cover numbers. You need a good payout too.
I would either go to 64$ across with 6-8 to 24$. Makes 88$ investment. Move first hit on 6-8 together to 42. For 8$. Total investment makes 96. Any hit on the outsides you parlay once and then collect. Collect 250$ and start pressing again. Parlay once collect twice.
10-10-24-24-10-10 move to b25-25-42-42-25-b25. Collect 250$ and parlay any hit collect twice.
You want to risk max 10% of banroll. Best play 5%.
That makes way lower bets then you expect...
I seen a lot of way to play... best way...there are many.
I like to cover numbers. You need a good payout too.
I would either go to 64$ across with 6-8 to 24$. Makes 88$ investment. Move first hit on 6-8 together to 42. For 8$. Total investment makes 96. Any hit on the outsides you parlay once and then collect. Collect 250$ and start pressing again. Parlay once collect twice.
10-10-24-24-10-10 move to b25-25-42-42-25-b25. Collect 250$ and parlay any hit collect twice.
Re: To the MAX
Now here's a point to ponder. Is it better to press to the table max of $500 in six hits on the six or eight then collect $583 on the seventh hit - or to just start out with $42 on the six and collect $50 for $1 seven times? Factor in how rare it's going to be that you get that seventh hit. . .
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Re: To the MAX
I understand this exercise is To the Max, but I would approach it from a little different view. I want to get my money off the table as soon as possible and then power press. Play $110 Inside - ie 5 is the point:
1st H - press 6/8 to $42 & 9 to 35 with the $35 won
2nd H - collect 50 for 1 (half recovered)
3rd H - same (my initial bet recovered)
From here you can power press as Heavy or Operator has outlined or take a slower pace with one or two hits then full press.
If someone is setting for 4/10 then you can change to place $110 even
1st H - press 6/8 to $42 & 9 to 35 with the $35 won
2nd H - collect 50 for 1 (half recovered)
3rd H - same (my initial bet recovered)
From here you can power press as Heavy or Operator has outlined or take a slower pace with one or two hits then full press.
If someone is setting for 4/10 then you can change to place $110 even
Re: To the MAX
The point of waiting to collect 5 hits after you pressed is that most of the time, you won't. When you do. You normally will hit a longer hand, and be more profitable over time.
Re: To the MAX
Say you roll:
Pt6-9-3-4-8-10-6-pt5-8-12-8-9-4-10-6-7
For exemple. Which is somewhat of a random good roll.
Using my template. You invest 96$, collect 49+49+49+48+48+35+48+48= 374$
You hit 3 times on 6, 3 times on 8. You collect ?
Pt6-9-3-4-8-10-6-pt5-8-12-8-9-4-10-6-7
For exemple. Which is somewhat of a random good roll.
Using my template. You invest 96$, collect 49+49+49+48+48+35+48+48= 374$
You hit 3 times on 6, 3 times on 8. You collect ?
Re: To the MAX
Thanks for opening up this old thread heavy does my heart good. Ive missed you guys a lot.
Re: To the MAX
Ok. Here's the plan.
Dp15$ 6-8 18$ each (if pt is 6 or 8, take 15$ 5-9)
If pt is made, switch to 15$ pass.
First hit go to 24-24. Second hit drop 2$ take 5-9 for 15 each. Collect 1 hit. Either way.
When 6-8 or 8 hits, 42, 90, c105, 180, 360, c420, 498.
5-9 hits. 15-30-70-c100 for 2-170 for 2, 300-500.
On first 100$ win drop 10$(15$) on 4-10
4-10 go 10(15) 25-50-100-300-500
Dp15$ 6-8 18$ each (if pt is 6 or 8, take 15$ 5-9)
If pt is made, switch to 15$ pass.
First hit go to 24-24. Second hit drop 2$ take 5-9 for 15 each. Collect 1 hit. Either way.
When 6-8 or 8 hits, 42, 90, c105, 180, 360, c420, 498.
5-9 hits. 15-30-70-c100 for 2-170 for 2, 300-500.
On first 100$ win drop 10$(15$) on 4-10
4-10 go 10(15) 25-50-100-300-500
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Re: To the MAX
heavy wrote:Now here's a point to ponder. Is it better to press to the table max of $500 in six hits on the six or eight then collect $583 on the seventh hit - or to just start out with $42 on the six and collect $50 for $1 seven times? Factor in how rare it's going to be that you get that seventh hit. . .
I think my math is correct.
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Re: To the MAX
What I want to know is if it s worth pressing the extra $20 from $480 to get to $500 max and confuse the dealers on the payout? (The $583).
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Re: To the MAX
Ok lets say I have a casino which is 5-300 limit close by.
5$ pass 22 inside( move to single odds on pt)
6&8 goes 6-(+5 to 18)-18(c21)-(21+3 for 42)-60-90-180-300
5&9 5-to 15-35-35-75-150-225-300
4-10 (late bet) 5-to 15-25-50-100-175-300
5$ pass 22 inside( move to single odds on pt)
6&8 goes 6-(+5 to 18)-18(c21)-(21+3 for 42)-60-90-180-300
5&9 5-to 15-35-35-75-150-225-300
4-10 (late bet) 5-to 15-25-50-100-175-300
Re: To the MAX
For me it's probably not. If I pressed at all from there I'd go to $498. Pays $581. I just can't bring myself to accept even money on the extra two bucks. Of course, I would always turn to SIA, who would have a $6 Don't bet against the number, hand him $500 and tell him to Place it for $498 just to get another bump in. No. On second thought I could not do it. SIA could never bring himself to make the bet - even if it was my money (or may BECAUSE it was my money). LOL. Anyway, no collusion or "team play" among players allowed.What I want to know is if it s worth pressing the extra $20 from $480 to get to $500 max and confuse the dealers on the payout? (The $583).
What I MIGHT ask the pit to do is okay me going to $600 on the six and eight only - but leave the rest of the numbers at 500 max.
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