Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I know a lot of betting money is left on the table when the big bad SO comes. Interested to know, are you leaving your money or casino money on the table most of the time? Just your best guess.

I attempt to get my money off the table first, starting with minimum bets across the inside generally, but it just isn’t happening most of the time. This may not be the best method as I evaluate things at this point in my journey.

Is it your goal to get your initial bets back first? Do you take paying hits until you are playing with casino money, then press? Or just press or regress from the get go?

Some I see at the table here, just place one, maybe two number minimum bets and expand from there but, they have to get a big roll to make anything. Others just go all out across and press…very few seem to bet a sizeable amount then regress.

Seems to me anymore, with average hands at the table of about 3 to 6 tosses after a point is made, it’s hard to make any money just trying to get your money back first before any pressing or regressing. Especially if the numbers rolled are all over the board with few repeats.

Thoughts from the pros here? Bet sizeable, regress, then take/press? Or try to get it off the table first, then hope for some profit?

I have come to the conclusion that it may be best to just bet sizeable, regress then press. The goal IS to win money, not get even right?

What DO you do to make money from the average hand?

Any betting money left on the table just before to SO comes, is, or was, your money. You earned it from your previous bets.

I also try to get my initial bets back. Afterwards I begin to press with my profits. I find I'm more relaxed after I get back the value of my bets.

I am not a fan of regressing of my own bets. My reasoning is, that as your roll gets longer, you are proving that your tosses is going good. So take advantage of it. Regress if something occurs that "rattles" you. Money in your landing zone. Another player that just pisses you off. Anything that takes you out of the "zone"

You got to invest money to make money. If you bet only thinking you will get 2 hits on your bets...you will not profit from this game. At the opposite, if you do not collect your investment under 6 rolls of the dice, you are playing with fire. You have to balance your play with the trend, cuz when table is hot and you are shying your bets, you miss out on what you came for!

If you figure out how to roll a seven, you never leave money on a table!

Right, but you lose the dice if you don't play alone. I do it when I'm alone and my throw is off. Always easier to show a quick seven then any other number.

The mathematically correct way to profit (assuming you have an edge) at the game is to right-size your bets to begin with. You never press. You never regress. You never turn your bets off. You simply collect your winnings. Of course, if you are betting on random rollers or do not have a definable positive EV then you are playing a negative expectation game and you're doomed to lose anyway.

With that said - virtually all of my major wins through the years have come in sessions where I had my bets turned off when the seven showed.

TheStoic wrote:I am not a fan of regressing of my own bets. My reasoning is, that as your roll gets longer, you are proving that your tosses is going good. So take advantage of it. Regress if something occurs that "rattles" you. Money in your landing zone. Another player that just pisses you off. Anything that takes you out of the "zone"

Yes, confidence IS a good and positive thing at the table. Also, when I get rattled I go OFF on all bets until settled.

DanF wrote:You got to invest money to make money. If you bet only thinking you will get 2 hits on your bets...you will not profit from this game. At the opposite, if you do not collect your investment under 6 rolls of the dice, you are playing with fire. You have to balance your play with the trend, cuz when table is hot and you are shying your bets, you miss out on what you came for!

Yes, I have recently taken Heavy's advice and raised the stakes at Buy In. I have adjusted my bets accordingly to Buy In and am now making the "investment" in myself. I started a first hit press strategy, second hit regress back to initial investment, then hit, press, hit, etc.. That way my investment is usually back within 4 rolls and it is clear, confident sailing from there.

heavy wrote:The mathematically correct way to profit (assuming you have an edge) at the game is to right-size your bets to begin with. You never press. You never regress. You never turn your bets off. You simply collect your winnings. Of course, if you are betting on random rollers or do not have a definable positive EV then you are playing a negative expectation game and you're doomed to lose anyway.

With that said - virtually all of my major wins through the years have come in sessions where I had my bets turned off when the seven showed.

Right sizing your bets is some of the best info I have seen here on the forum. I now KNOW and have proved it to be correct. I either win big or break even now because of it. Before, it was just a gradual grind to a total loss for the day or a SMALL win. Maybe it IS actually the math, by right sizing the bets, I don't really know, but it IS working out over the past six casino trips and I can last at the table longer than before.

Now,I still do my regress after the second hit back to my original opening bets, but as I said, it seems to put me at ease and I get real focused on the toss knowing every toss is a PROFIT winner! It really puts the fun back in the game for me.

what are your right size bets, according to buy in percentage,

A right sized bet is essentially a wager equal to a percentage of your bankroll equal to your positive expectation tines your total bankroll. Browse the forum for discussions on the Kelly Criterion

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