Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

My first real experience with Don’t players was a very negative one. Imagine playing alone on a table just to get a feel for the table bounce and dealers. Since it is just to warm up, I had maybe $100 in chips and mainly just breaking even.

Then, from out of the shadows, up steps this flaming A-hole and his 3 buddies. He and his cronies each put a couple hundred on the Don’t against me. Every time I would shoot he would yell “SEVEN! COME ON SEVEN!!” It really ticked me off and I did everything possible to hit my point, just to piss him off. (And I did succeed in making him drop some bills for betting against me.)

The Don't bettor and his crew left a really bad impression for a long time, and I never really like seeing Don’t bets.

A few months ago however, I had the opportunity to see a true Jedi Master in action. It was a Friday afternoon, maybe 4:00 or so, and there were only a 6-8 shooters at the table since the Friday night rush had not started yet. The table was relatively good. Each of the shooters including myself had shot at least two hands and done rather well with hitting points and winning a little bit of money.

Then down on the other end of the table, hiding in the hook next to the dealer crept up a little old man. He was pretty crocked and really enjoying himself. The Pit Boss and Dealers greeted him by his first name as he bought in for several thousand ($10k + ?) in chips. This was very exciting because I had never seen a whale up close before.

On my end of the table, the guy that was about to shoot was pretty solid on his earlier hands, and had probably hit 3-4 points and had thrown somewhere in the 20’s or so. With that in mind, I had put a higher than usual bet and odds on him to make a dead simple point like 6 or 8 or whatever it was.

Then, down at the other end of the table I notice this little old Jedi Master, Han Nogo. He put the maximum bet and maximum odds ($5k?) on the Don’t and waited. (The DON'T? How could he do that?) After about the 3 or 4th throw, Han Nogo shouted, “WOO! Them Dice are getting HOT!! Come on shooter!! YEAH! This is taking too long! Woo! ”

The shooter immediately 7’ed out. Everyone lost their bet, odds, money inside across, the whole lot, and yet no one was upset with Han Nogo. The Jedi persisted, on each of the following shooters who had only a few turns before been solid, money numbers throwing shooters. It was fascinating because his encouragement and cheering for them totally brain locked them. The Jedi mind F’ed them, and interestingly, no one really seemed to be upset with him for doing so. (He did ‘tip’ a few of the shooters a couple of greens after psyching them out so they broke even on their hand.)

I lost my money too, but was so in awe of his tactics that I didn’t feel that upset. (Also, he bought a round of drinks for the table, just to show he wasn’t a bad guy.)

After about 30-45 minutes, Han Nogo colored up, tipped the hell out of the dealers, and went on his merry way. One of dealers told me that he cleared about $20k, and would come to the casino on pretty regularly every few months or so.

Personally, I have never had the bankroll or the gumption to try what Han Nogo had so masterfully performed. Still, I have to admit, that if the opportunity arose, at the very least I would try it. (Or maybe not because I still believe in Hell.)

So - What are the best ways to succeed when playing the Don’t?
Do any of you all have any mojo mind F* like Han Nogo, or do you just quietly make your bets and sit back and wait time and chance to happen to us all?

Typically I'm playing the Don'ts from my SR or SL shooting position - which means I have to reach waaaay across the table to get my DC bets out. But no, I don't do anything to intefere with the shooter in any way. That includes on those occasions where I'm standing straight out and laying significant odds. If I'm laying $100 I'll put out a black chip or four green - not a stack of 20 red. Let the math take care of the statistics.

Not that you lost money Incognito68 but, that is a funny one!

I just quietly make my bet and sit back and wait time and chance to happen.

I never say much at a craps table . I play to relax and not worry about the world. The only tables I try to avoid are the ones with loud players , whether Rightside or Darkside, which is why I seldom play after 6 PM on weekends. I hate Friday and Saturday nights at casinos.

Dinner at 6:30 or 7, then bed at 8. My weekend schedule at casinos. Up at daylight and an hour walk.

Recently I have seen more and more Don't players actively rooting for the seven; mainly twenty somethings, though not always. It always seems to torque off the shooters-who lose it; and is frankly unnecessary as the dice have no ears. I'm more quiet at the table as why talk when you've got the Force, D.N8r

Second nickel......

When I'm setting I've encountered the Don't players with the chip towers - use it to bear down harder. They keep stacking and calling for the seven. I don't understand why a don't player feels compelled to buck the odds on a DI, yeah sure sometimes they win, most they don't. Nice to watch a martingale flame out - have a nice day, creep

D.N8r

I don't say anything unless they say something to me. However if they knock me off I give them a clap for making multiple passes and stringing a hand together. Of course I'm also place betting to not sit on my hands on good roll. If I'm SL or SR I can't stretch to DC. So I just put my bet down and ask for DC Action. To not upset anyone.

stratocasterman wrote:Not that you lost money Incognito68 but, that is a funny one!

Thanks Stratocasterman, that was the weird Mind Trick part of his plan. Nobody seemed to mind that he was jinxing us all.

heavy wrote:Typically I'm playing the Don'ts from my SR or SL shooting position - which means I have to reach waaaay across the table to get my DC bets out. But no, I don't do anything to intefere with the shooter in any way. That includes on those occasions where I'm standing straight out and laying significant odds. If I'm laying $100 I'll put out a black chip or four green - not a stack of 20 red. Let the math take care of the statistics.

Thanks Heavy for the input.

It always is interesting to me to see if the dealers will ask a player to put down 4 greens instead of a roulette tower of 20 reds. Don't know if there is a protocol or house rule about the stacks, but they seem to vary from one casino to another. (at least the ones I've been to.)

DarthNater wrote:Second nickel......

When I'm setting I've encountered the Don't players with the chip towers - use it to bear down harder. They keep stacking and calling for the seven. I don't understand why a don't player feels compelled to buck the odds on a DI, yeah sure sometimes they win, most they don't. Nice to watch a martingale flame out - have a nice day, creep

D.N8r

Agreed, I try to splatter their chips accidentally to see if they or the dealers will get the hint.

DarthNater wrote:Recently I have seen more and more Don't players actively rooting for the seven; mainly twenty somethings, though not always. It always seems to torque off the shooters-who lose it; and is frankly unnecessary as the dice have no ears. I'm more quiet at the table as why talk when you've got the Force, D.N8r

Use the force Dude! Use the force!

There was one guy I met who seemed to make out OK hopping the 7s on the 11-12th roles while putting DC bets out. He said he waited until they hit 2 numbers or had about a dozen roles and then would bet the Don't on come out and 2 DCs there after.

The logic for his (bulletproof ?) methodology was that roll # 13 was on the way. And that has to be totally unlucky right?
And, - it worked every time - uh, about 50% of the time.

Like you all were saying, he didn't do any psyche outs or make a disturbance, and no one seemed upset when his Don't coincided with their immediately (usually almost) 7'ing out.
However he did get blessed out by one shooter because he said 'hop the 7's' and not 'Hopping Big Red'.
- So there you go.

Dylanfreake wrote:I just quietly make my bet and sit back and wait time and chance to happen.

I never say much at a craps table . I play to relax and not worry about the world. The only tables I try to avoid are the ones with loud players , whether Rightside or Darkside, which is why I seldom play after 6 PM on weekends. I hate Friday and Saturday nights at casinos.

Dinner at 6:30 or 7, then bed at 8. My weekend schedule at casinos. Up at daylight and an hour walk.

That sounds like the smooth way to go Dylanfreake. Very low key without reveling in the chaos of the moment.

BTW, just wondering -
since discretion is the better part of valor, do any of you all tip a shooter you Don't-ed?

Or just leave them alone with the agony of defeat?

It always is interesting to me to see if the dealers will ask a player to put down 4 greens instead of a roulette tower of 20 reds.

That's not going to happen. I've even asked the dealer to make the swap. One went so far as to tell me he was not allowed to touch the player's chips.

Well that is why shooters really need to play on empty tables to benefit from ideal conditions or at least close to ideal conditions. On an empty table a shooter can be as loose and relaxed as possible without the worry of chips in the landing zone and should be able to have some super long and productive rolls.

I only play the Don't Pass and I hate packed tables with all the middle bets and bonus bets and fire bets , etc. that slows every thing down.

I'm a don't side player only, don't shoot and enjoy a 4 to 6 player session. This gives me a decent chance to position my self from the corner to the hook on either end. I'm aware of the landing areas of each shooter, making sure I stay out of the way. Don't talk often, prefer to go off into my own little world and enjoy the game. Old school I guess.

DS

I don't think it matters where you position yourself or your chips. I play a lot of DP right next to the Stick and its amazing how many flingers still hit my chips on the way to the wall. Errr should I say: fateful way to the wall, as it seems hitting my darkside chips just puts the whammie on them. I know its random, but hitting my DP or DC chips always seems to precipitate a 7, D.N8r

You're right, position doesn't matter. My preference is the hook to the corner, doesn't matter to me if the only place to stand is stick to hook. I can win or loses regardless of where I'm standing. I'm not sure about hitting the chips resulting in a 7, at least not as often as it used to happen. I'm not a superstitious player, I take everything as it comes, less stress, more success.

DP

DarthNater wrote:I don't think it matters where you position yourself or your chips. I play a lot of DP right next to the Stick and its amazing how many flingers still hit my chips on the way to the wall. Errr should I say: fateful way to the wall, as it seems hitting my darkside chips just puts the whammie on them. I know its random, but hitting my DP or DC chips always seems to precipitate a 7, D.N8r

Thanks for the feedback.

If a shooter survives hitting the chips, I will usually turn my bets off or bring them down.

Don't be superstitious - it's bad luck!

I got my real first taste of playing with some big money Dark Siders Friday. They were very vocal when they were shooting..."Seven Out, Seven Out!" but, reserved and quiet when I shot. I actually had fun playing with them.

I decided to just play a minimum Doey/Don't, loaded up the inside WOCO. After my initial inside CO hit, I would just take them all down and then set for the All Sevens set. It worked perfectly and they were so happy with my All Seven set shot that they just passed the dice to me for every throw on out.

We all made money, with no hassles, and had fun.