Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

Anyone experienced or familiar with the “UR Way Egalite” (UWE) or "High Tie" bet? Do you even bet a Tie bet at all?

Lately, I have become kinda obsessed with this bet, trying to find a way to capitalize on the high odds payoff. Yes, the vig is high on the Tie bet but, the payoffs can be well worth it.

The ten separate UWE tie bets are as follows:

Tie on 0 pays 150-to-1
Tie on 1 pays 215-to-1
Tie on 2 pays 225-to-1
Tie on 3 pays 200-to-1
Tie on 4 pays 120-to-1
Tie on 5 pays 110-to-1
Tie on 6 pays 45-to-1
Tie on 7 pays 45-to-1
Tie on 8 pays 80-to-1
Tie on 9 pays 80-to-1

Here in the Philippines, the odds are about 5% lower than these I found and posted above. You can bet a "cover-all" minimum bet of $20 which wins on any tie number OR bet the ten different numbers individually for $2 each.

The reason I ask is that I was wanting to come up with or borrow a betting scheme to try and capture a Tie bet.

Does anyone card count? Here is an interesting article https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bet ... -side-bet/

I have noticed, overall, that a Tie result of 7, 2 & 0 seem to happen more than others, in that order. The above article seems to indicate that, as well, over 200 million shoe simulations.

I am a stingy better. Like everyone else, I hate to lose money but, realize that you must risk/lose money, to make money.

You could just straight out bet the "High Tie" bet every hand but, I don't see that as a viable option. I believe you would quickly end up in the poor house with that type of betting scheme...by hitting a few low paying hits OR getting caught on a long run of NO Ties at all. We have all witnessed that on many shoes! I have seen many 70 +or- shoes with Tie results between 0 to 3 Ties total. Those would kill you. On the other hand, I have seen many shoes with Tie results totaling 10 to 17. Those still might result in low payoffs with the 6, 7, 8 and 9 Ties hitting.

So, what to do here?

I typically will just bet $2 each on the 7, 2 & 0 and try and cover that $6 with a Banker/Player bet of the same. Yes, you HAVE to win your Banker or Player guess just to break even or you end up with a $12 total loss. That too can put you in the poor house if you bet every hand! Sure, you will win some and lose some but, that still ends up in an overall loss most of the time. You are forced to HAVE to win one of those Tie bet frequently to stay afloat I believe.

My thought now is to somehow incorporate covering "High Tie" bets with my usual Baccarat betting strategy. This I must work on to figure out.

My latest Baccarat betting strategy is to break shoes down into 20 hand results. I look to see which direction, overall, that Banker or Player is headed and then bet either Banker or Player exclusively. Note that Ties, and the more of them, will stretch out the leading win results over the life of the shoe generally.

This takes the guessing equation out of it for me. Why try and out guess every individual result? You KNOW you will lose hands and win hands, so I just utilize a progression strategy that keeps me in the black with TWO back to back wins.

My progression is (units), 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 12. On any win, parlay the winnings and ADD that winning base bet to the parlay. Two wins in a row, go back to the beginning, rinse and repeat.

I have watched a couple of guys who play all the time, at my regular casino, and they make this "High Tie" coverall bet ($20) on every hand IF they are winning their regular Banker/Player bets. For the most part, I see them doing very well betting this way throughout a large portion of a shoe. They make at least a regular table minimum Banker/Player bet ($20) and then add $20 to hopefully win and cover the cost of their "High Tie" bet.

Overall to say, I don't think just trying to cover the cost of any "High Tie" bet is the best way to approach this.

What I am currently doing is a card counting scheme suggested, in the article posted above, for a Tie result of 2 and then make a hopeful Banker/Player bet to cover the cost of my "High Tie" bet.

The card counting scheme for the Tie result of 2 suggested is:
Aces, Tens = -1
2 = -6
3,4,5,6,8 = +2
7 = +1
9 = 0

The trigger count to bet is a +6. I usually will bet on a +5, +6 or +7 trigger count just to give myself some slack.

Surprisingly, I have hit a couple of these but, the Tie result was a 7, NOT a 2. Not a problem really, just a lot smaller payoff! I am 2 for 12 so far ($72 bet, $160 payoffs for a $88 profit). Probably was just dumb luck, who knows but, at least it has been profitable so far and is fun to pass the time at the table card counting.

Post your thoughts or a betting strategy you may use for the all elusive Tie bet!

DiceTrakr and I have a couple of simple rules regarding betting the Tie in Blackjack Battle Plan.

1. Do not bet the Tie . . . unless . . .
2. If all of the Asian players at the table start shouting "Tie Line!" - in which case you bet the Tie . . . OR . . .
3. And this will sound familiar to my craps followers. "See a Tie - Bet a Tie."

My take on Tie betting.

If you bet $20 on the cover all tie bet, as detailed above, what does it pay?

I strongly suspect, without looking at this in detail, that the house edge you are trying to overcome is just to high to make it worthwhile. Or put it another way, countability such as this (if it is even possible) would be a skill you could use to much greater profit potential on other games and side bets.

See a Tie, bet a Tie...you bet! OR, wait until the Asian redhead makes a Tie bet and then load up!

I was late to the party today as I walked up to a table that just started. One Banker followed by 4 Ties in a row...DANGA! Missed it! That see a Tie, bet a Tie does seem to show up quite a bit but, after it does, it's time to go find another table usually.

LS...I posted the odds payout above. I know it's a bad vig bet but, I am looking for a lightening strike on a 2 or 0. A 2 pays 190:1 and 0 pays 140:1 here. The 7 pays 40:1. Those three numbers seem to hit more as I have seen. Each individual Tie result is minimum $2 bet, payable at the odds above roughly.

I'd rather play a few numbers with a chance at a higher payout than just bet the regular $2 Tie bet at 8:1 payout. I think you figured this out awhile back and the overall average odds on the "High Tie" bet came out to about 9:1. Just a tad better than the regular Tie bet but, WAY more costly at a minimum $20 versus a minimum $2 bet.

I'll keep working on a system to try and capture it. As I stated above, I think the best way, that I have seen, is to just bet enough on the Banker/Player to cover your Tie bet on every hand and hope you win those B/P bets to break even, should the Tie not hit. By doing that on each hand, you will eventually hit a Tie.

If you find a winning system, come and spend some time in the UK. As you already stated, you are getting short paid on the individual tie bets over there. Ours would be as per your original table. You're trying to overcome double figure house edges. Going to take a lot of skill or a hell of an amount of luck

heavy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:17 pm DiceTrakr and I have a couple of simple rules regarding betting the Tie in Blackjack Battle Plan.

1. Do not bet the Tie . . . unless . . .
2. If all of the Asian players at the table start shouting "Tie Line!" - in which case you bet the Tie . . . OR . . .
3. And this will sound familiar to my craps followers. "See a Tie - Bet a Tie."

My take on Tie betting.

The "see a tie bet a tie" has merit if it's a hand shuffled game and the first shoe after new cards were put into play. A bad dealer wash of the cards will cause a lot of ties.

Yes mssthis1, they are hand shuffled 8 deck shoes here. You can actually watch them hand shuffle cards in a back corner room of the casino. The room there has a huge plexiglass window where one can watch them hand shuffle.

Too bad you can't find out which table is getting which individual shoe!

Yes LS, I think it is about a 12-14% vig. Yikes!