Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

You are on a good roll. You have worked the 8 up to $900 using the following progression. 12-12-18-42-42-90-90-180-420-420-900. All other place bets are modestly pressed.

You make your point and are coming out. You are rolling an 8, every two or three rolls, but only one has been a hard 8. You don't want to miss out on that orange chip if you roll an 8 coming out. But you don't want to risk the $900 if you make a winner 7.

What do you do? If the table allows the hop bet? If there is no hop bet?

it would be completely by feel at the exact moment for me, less about odds, edge and normal routines.

I'm not generally a WOTCO kinda guy, but I'd toss out a working HW and/or hop bet on the 8.

In fact, I've been war gaming some HW play into my betting strategy during practice. Once any number gets paid for the first time at a 50 for 1 level, I'm adding HW bets on that number into the mix, starting at $2.

If your NOT tossing the all-sevens set, tossing well and tossing a lot of eights...WOTCO!

Seems like you are progressing your bets and not regressing them. Seems like the eight is coming on the next or second roll (every two or three rolls) and it wasn't the last point number rolled.

In that case, you are going to leave that $900 on the table anyway. Go for it! Believe in your ability! Make it happen!

Ditto what Stratman said. WOTCO!

From a mental stand point I don't recommend WOTCO.
It can really take the wind out of your sails (even if you are trying to avoid a 7 on the CO) when you toss a CO 7 so you win a $10 line bet but see your $900 8 come down.
Keep it off and use a different set for the CO, or toss randomly.
Or like you said HOP it if you are really feeling it. $10 on the hard, $20 on the easy. $40 action. Cheap but pays $270/$280.

My game plan excludes W O T C beyond the third level of progression :

A) With your BIG $ number NOT in play, the C/O 7 will NOT take it down
....and any of the other eleven possibilities could show

75 x 3= $225 ....$75 x 15=$1,175 - $150 = $975......83% some number not a 7 may show.....
.....so at that juncture hold those HOP $ in the LOCK UP

B) By that time the hand has grown " Long-in-The-Tooth "

and

C) You may decide to take YOUR NEW FOUND $ CURRENCY home
if there is
EIGHT NO SHOW after ANOTHER Predetermined number of TOSS Trials....

just me saying

w c

wild child wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:10 am
By that time the hand has grown " Long-in-The-Tooth "

just me saying

w c

Sometimes we spend so much time reading the forum that we don't really see little 'pearls of wisdom'.

Thanks Wild Child

Lkwd

Lkwd wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:06 am

wild child wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:10 am
By that time the hand has grown " Long-in-The-Tooth "

just me saying

w c

Sometimes we spend so much time reading the forum that we don't really see little 'pearls of wisdom'.

Thanks Wild Child

Lkwd

I agree. One of my new rules is if the money on the layout and in my rack puts me at +$1000 for the day I generally take it all down and call that good for the day.

If you want to keep going you have several options. You can work the 8 only on the comeout if you want. Just be sure the dealer is on the same page as you are.

You could also reduce it to a smaller bet if you want and put it all back up after the new point is established.

I'm not a fan of hoppers on a bet that big because of the HA on middle bets. Losing a $900 bet to a comeout seven really stings when it happens but it's actually cheaper in the long run than the hoppers.

Okay, I'll weigh in since I've been in this situation before. I don't work the bet. If I've been throwing hard eights with any frequency I'll have my hardways off and, at that level I'd probably bump my line bet up to $25, hop the eight three ways - for $25 - high on the hard eight. And yeah, I'd have a $5 World with a $1 ace-deuce for shiggles. That's a lot of prop action but I would already have over a grand profit in the rack so now we're just seeing how far we can take it. But Wild Child is correct. There's nothing wrong with taking a profit. Especially when a hand is getting long in the tooth. And believe me - when you get to the point that your six or eight are at $420 plus - the hand is long in the tooth.

Take down the $900 8, and
Take down all your other modestly pressed placed bets, and
Request an orange chip!
Pocket the orange chip!
Put what is left of your modestly pressed place bets (less the $100 you added to the $900 to get the orange chip) on the 8 and announce that the 8 is working! You know you want to see what that next roll is going to be!
Now roll the dice, you know what’s coming next since you have held the game up for so long to color up that orange chip! lol

So, if you are tossing an 8 consistently every couple of rolls and it does not happen to be an 8 on that come out you did hop bets on, do you continue to hop bet for another couple of tosses? Increase or decrease the size of the hop bets? Just curious on mind set on these types of situations.

Personally, to V23's original question I would be off on the come out just because I would be comfortable with that. It is a breather for me in my focus so a little rest period. Could be considered a wasted roll that way too. I don't know if monitarily it is the best play but it is the way I would play it. Looks Great if I toss a 7 and I am an idiot if an 8 is tossed.

From my standpoint, just keep throwing with the same set that has been working....come out roll or not. Keep the bets working. The come out roll is just a mind bender. Work your bets! There is no difference.... it's just a mind f*ck on the casinos part. Doesn't matter which way you go, at some point the seven will get you. So might as well work the bets!

Ditto what Irukanji said!

It's all in your f"n head ("mindbender") on the CO if your NOT trying to toss anything other than a box number...free shot? BS...shoot or take 'em down...color up and go home...

Hi r_ventura_23

"...You are rolling an 8, every two or three rolls, but only one has been a hard 8.."


Since we don't know your buyin, bankroll, win goal, current (+ or -) in this session...etc may I suggest:

WOTCO, hop the easy 8s every toss for $25 each, reduce place bets on all non-8 numbers to receive a payout = ~$50 to offset hop8 cost(after reducing the non-8 wagers move any excess to the Plc8 bet), keep hops at same $25 level and rack wins, press future hits on Plc8 up 50% of base each hit(900,1350,2004...etc), rinse/repeat til the end.


All the best,
Tgold

RV 23,
Agree with all on not working on come out. You made a point and there's a break on paying everyone at the table. All kind of thing can happen on the next shot. Agree with Heavy on hopping 8's. If you set the 8 you have won a few hundred dollars and set a point that has the best chance of repeating. You can move all the 900 as odds or take some profit off the table. Example would be place 500 in odds and rack 400 plus the 2-300 you made on hopping the 8's. But anyway, congrats on tossing the number of 8's and getting to the 900 press on the 8!

Now, what should he do after he hops the eight and establishes the eight as his next point? Keep the $900 eight as a place bet? Take the $900 down? Keep the eight place bet, but only for $300 while racking $600? I'm sure he won't be able to use the $900 as odds to his PL bet since he's probably betting only a $10 PL. Unless he's at 100x odds table. (My questions are rhetorical).

I take what I can from the place bet to use as full odds on the PL bet and leave the rest up as a place bet (generally need to figure out the proper bet size after siphoning off the full odds portion).

I’m at the table, I call my bets off, hop the 7’s. All this worry is an EDE.

Definitely hop it 240 risk instead of 900