New ten second rule

[midgetcoach]

I went to my local casino last night to find that they are now asking everyone to toss the dice within ten seconds from the time the stick passes them to you.
Being some what new to craps overall I am asking if this is a basic rule they now want to enforce or some thing else?
Any thoughts or options ....

[HowieHops]

MC all I can say about the various properties in my area is there is nothing like that. There are always the folks you see grab all the dice presented to them and pick them up several times to roll them before they select two to play with. Then after that the take various amounts of time to arrange them the way they want before they throw them. There are some that certainly take more than ten seconds, nothing is ever said.

Having said that, after working with the dice for a bit it should be not be a problem to arrange your set and throw them in ten seconds. It becomes second nature after a while.

Hops

[Big O]

A player that cannot toss in ten seconds needs to practice more or reduce steps in his/her toss routine

[wild child]

I went to my local casino last night to find that they are now asking everyone to toss the dice within ten seconds from the time the stick passes them to you.
Being some what new to craps overall I am asking if this is a basic rule they now want to enforce or some thing else?
Any thoughts or options ....

Expect to observe some pickle
to be "SHIFT RELATED"


just me saying
w c
PS: It is always something

[220Inside]

I concur with HH and O about being able to toss within 10 seconds. It should not be a problem to take the dice, put them into your set, grip and execute the toss in 10 seconds. If you're having problems with this, figure out which part of your routine is taking up so much time and work on correcting it.

Of course there are ways to milk this 10 second rule, like sending the dice back to the stick if players are tossing in late bets.

But I've never heard of or seen this rule before. Where is this happening and what are the consequences if you do not get the dice out within their 10 seconds? Who is tracking it and how?

[realtime]

If they are giving you 10 seconds, I'm thinking DI's aren't their concern.

Probably the "Dice Schoolers" are the problem.

[midgetcoach]

Today I put a stop watch app on my phone. Adding it to my practice shows that I can have the dice in the air within the time. I use the hard way set and set it fairly quick But wonder how others will do that like to use different sets while shooting.

The box is counting and if you cant make the cut they will ask you not to shoot.

Yes late bets and buy-in's should be interesting.

I have talked with others and some feel its not so much the DI's but the "dice schoolers" that have brought this on.

[220Inside]

I don't use a hardway set and will have no problem with a ten second rule, even if switching between sets mid-hand. If you're taking more than a couple of seconds to set the dice that is a part of your game that you need to work on. You can do this anywhere and don't need to be in front of the table to practice getting the dice into your set quickly. At the table, watch the stick and see how the dice are coming to you and visualize the changes that need to be made to get them into your set so that when they reach you, you can just do it quickly.

Unless they're sweating the money at this place, it likely is because of all the dice schoolers and finger snappers. The goal of the pit is to maximize the number of decisions per hour. They don't like a slow game any more than we do.

[mainframe]

I dont think they should have a time limit on how long you can hold onto the dice before you shoot. Dice schoolers and finger snappers are like baseball players that have a whole routine when before they are ready to swing the bat:)

[wild child]

A shooter could toss the dice high enough or bounce them hard enough
to land the dice or one die on the casino carpet.

After several searches & pick-ups, the concern over schooling
or "Toss the Dice higher "/or "Toss the Dice with less air under them"
often becomes less frequently "an issue".

Especially when ALL THE "NEXT SHOOTERS"
play the same "Dropsie Pick-Up Game"

just me saying
w c

[House of Orange]

Hope it spreads. Anything that speeds the game up is great for us.

[midgetcoach]

After practicing yesterday with my stop watch app I went to a second casino today that is not aware of the 10 second rule.
I had a really good day and found that I actually like the pace. Set, located my target and got them off in under the limit.
Up $250 (after tipping) with a $500 bank roll.
Going back to my local tomorrow to play and see how others are accepting the change.

[midgetcoach]

Well back at my local casino they seem to have changed their mind or at least put the ten second rule on hold. No one wants to say much about it.
For me, I have picked up the speed of my game and seem to be playing a little better.
All is good for now, thanks to everyone for any interest and comments, over and out, midgetcoach........................

[heavy]

Years ago in one of the Vegas casinos a boxman arbitrarily decided to impose a five second rule on me. I asked him what the deal was and he said it was casino policy because dice setters were slowing down the game. I asked if it applied to the dice schoolers and everyone else at the table and he said yes, so I decided to help him out and "count down" every shooter, including myself. As soon as I got the dice I started counting down, "Five," set the dice, "Four" read the dice and aim, "Three" breathe and relax, "Two," toss the dice, "and done." Every time I tossed the dice - basically three seconds and done. Then, after my hand ended I did it on every other shooter that touched the dice. And when I got down to "Zero" I'd start asking the box, "Now what? Speeding him up? Passing the dice? Where's the enforcement?" By the time the dice got back to me the boxman had gone on break and that rule was over and done with.

On this last Biloxi trip, at one casino there was a stick person who must have just taken a coke hit before coming back from break because he was speeding and rushing every shooter, running all over his dealers before they got the payoffs completed. I just followed his pace and had the dice set and tossed within 3 - 4 seconds every time. Yeah, I prefer to take my time and focus on my landing zone a little longer before tossing, but I'm not going to let them think they're in my head space.

[mainframe]

Hope it spreads. Anything that speeds the game up is great for us.

House of Orange, could you please elaborate?

My own thoughts on the question "is faster bet resolution better or worse for the players?" is as follows:

1.) I don't know exactly how casinos rate players play, but from what I hear, buy-in amount, average bet size, and time spent at table (time money is being risked) are (or were) commonly used as factors for a gambler's rating and affects things like earned comps. So from the perspective of improving your rating in a casino club membership, or earning comps, slower bet resolution time is a good thing.

2. From a pure probability perspective, I guess faster or slower play is irrelevant. You bet on a random event, and your probability of winning, based on the outcome of the random event does not really change if booked bets are resolved faster or slower. But factoring in EV...and all bets on all casino games have a negative EV or negative expectation...the faster bets are resolved, the more you lose quicker. So from that perspective, slower is better as well.

Now I know that some DIs are hoping the random rollers can lose quickly so the dice are passed to a DI sooner (or to "you" sooner), so I understand wanting to speed up play from that perspective. Also, I understand the action junky aspect of it, which is you want your (hopefully winning) bets resolved quickly

[Merlin]

Seems like 10 seconds is still a decent amount of time. As long as there still is time for the High Fives in-between tosses after you power pressed and are collecting.

I tend to get a little impatient when the dealers pull the dice back because someone dropped a chip on franklin on the table just as they were handing me the dice.

Nothing more frustrating than getting ready to roll and as you are about to let fly someone sticks there hand in a drops for a check change....

[Big O]

i dont like a slow game but i am not in favor of anymore rules casino/box can use to make it difficult for players. 10 seconds is plenty of time though and shouldnt affect a DI. I would prefer the box keep the game rolling and make judgment on game delays on a case by case basis without a set time limit no matter what it is.

[Oscararrow]

I'm at 15 seconds which does not seem that long when I set the dice. One more item to practice.

[gargoil]

I'm at 15 seconds which does not seem that long when I set the dice. One more item to practice.

Is more time spent on the actual grip or do you spend time trying to get the dice set (numbers) correct? There are articles on this Forum that Heavy has to help you set the dice (numbers) really quickly. That could cut down on your 15 seconds.

[heavy]

Setting the dices shouldn't take more than 3 seconds IMHO. Maybe 4 if you get short-sticked. Set, gripped and ready to shoot in 5 seconds. Aim, focus and breath - another 4 to four seconds, then dice in the air by 8 seconds unless there's a distraction at the other end of the table.