Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

i recently watched a dvd BEATING THE ODDS. simple things like $5 passline bet $10 odds ($15)at risk point 5 or 9. if you hit the point you win $20. place bet 5 or 9 for $15 and the 5 or 9 hit you win $21. one is a contract bet and one you can take down. dont pass and dont come bets are exposed to the 7 and 11. pay the vig and lay the number. the only reason for passline or dont pass if you want to shoot. very good and interesting dvd.advdel77

After all these years of playing craps I have recently gave up on place bets pretty much 100%. The pass line and up to 3 come bets with odds is the strongest strategy for me by far, it isn't even close.

1) When my toss is on I throw a lot of repeaters. With come bets, I end up with more money on the numbers that are hitting and nothing on "dead" numbers. Even though I have a few dice combinations which are dominate, I often go through short spells of 40, 50 or more tosses where I throw repeaters but not the normal repeaters. With come bets I don't have to sweat that issue any more.

2) My PSO exposure and losses are greatly reduced even though I am making larger bets per number than I was when betting across.

3) Since I throw a lot of repeaters it is hard to get 4 bets on the table. My total exposure is reduced even though I am betting larger per number now.

4) Getting a pass line bet, 3 come bets out and then a 7 out happens far fewer times than a point seven out after betting across which equals lower losses when you are off.

For years I believed that place bets were the way to go because you miss that first payoff with come bets. I have found beyond a shadow of a doubt that long term the PSO's and higher house edge on place bets more than wipes out that first hit. Day to day results will vary of course.

advdel77 wrote:i recently watched a dvd BEATING THE ODDS. simple things like $5 passline bet $10 odds ($15)at risk point 5 or 9. if you hit the point you win $20. place bet 5 or 9 for $15 and the 5 or 9 hit you win $21. one is a contract bet and one you can take down. dont pass and dont come bets are exposed to the 7 and 11. pay the vig and lay the number. the only reason for passline or dont pass if you want to shoot. very good and interesting dvd.advdel77

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I got a bit more out of the Beating The Odds D V D than debating the Contract Bet Vs The Place Wager discussion
...After I spoke with Marvin Goldstein , the author, I ordered the book that predates the refinements he incorporated into the D V D....
( The book is out of print..Marvin graciously put together a copy for me)
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Out of respect for Marvin Goldstein's Intellectual Property
I prefer to not go deeper into it..

Marvin Goldstein permits Heavy to offer the program instructional D V D
at a deep discount ......
....Those interested may wish to invest in the "Beating the Odds" D V D...
I find it worth owning .

just me saying
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